Just to get started on this adventure (of on-line discussion) let's begin with something easy:
What do you think of Nora, so far?
Write at least 100 words, but don't worry about going over if you have more to say. you should point to something specific in the text to support what you think. If you think she is "whiny" or "ditzy," for example, show us why with an example from the play: you may quote or paraphrase.
I would like each of you to have something on the blog by 8 AM Monday morning (Oct 20).
If you would like to respond to someone else's entry, you may do so -- respectfully.
OK. Let's see what happens.
Barton
12 comments:
At first, Nora seems like a wife who is money-obsessed and maybe doesn't even love her husband Torvald. She seems to be using Torvald as a money tree. But Nora then explains to Mrs. L that she, not her father, paid for Torvald's emergency trip to Italy, which saved his life, and is still paying off the debt that she owes. This explains that Nora is always asking for money and not for fancy dresses or other luxurious items because she desperately wants to pay off the debt she owes to Krogstad, the man who lent her the money. She does this secretly because "how painful and humiliating it would be for Torvald, with his manly independence, to know that he owed me [Nora] anything!" Nora does not want Torvald to know that she paid for the trip and saved his life because she thinks Torvald would be embarrassed that he is relying on a women to pay his debts.
--RocketPower
In the beginning of the play, Nora is referred to as a “spendthrift” by her husband Torvald, which is a person who is always wasting money. Nora is constantly asking for Torvald’s money, but little does he know that she is saving part of that money to pay back the loan she took out. Nora took this loan in order to pay for Torvald’s life saving trip to Italy. Based on this information, I believe that Nora’s heart is in the right place. Nora definitely did not have to take a loan and pay for the trip herself, and she could have easily gone to her father for help. I think that Nora did the right thing by paying for the trip to Italy, and it really shows how deeply she cares for Torvald and not just for his money.
--snowball--
At the beginning of the story, Nora comes off as a person who only cares about money and does not notice the value of it. She is always asking Torvald for money, and he calls her a “spendthrift”. For example, Nora asks Torvald to put money on the tree for her as a Christmas gift, instead of buying something personally. As the story progresses, Nora begins to have more to her character. When Mrs.Linde arrives to the house, Nora speaks with her about the things she is proud of in her life. Nora brings up the one accomplishment she feels the most proud of. This accomplishment is saving her husband’s life, but she did this by sending him on a trip to Italy with money she borrowed. She does not want her family or friends to know this, especially Torvald. Mrs.Linde recognizes this as imprudence. I think that Nora is very irresponsible with her decisions because she does not realize the consequences she will suffer. When Krogstad tries to threaten Nora, he accuses her of forging her father’s signature. Nora put herself in this situation by not being honest, which gives Krogstad the power to hold this against her. She has now put herself in a conflict that is hard to get out of. I think Nora is too caught up in money, and she is not responsible enough to make her own decisions from the choices she has made.
My initial impression of Nora’s character is that she’s very naive and immature, and can’t seem to take responsibility for her actions, as one would think a woman of her age should be able to. An example of this is when Torvald suspects and questions Nora if she had eaten any macaroons, she replies “No, certainly not.” And “No, Torvald, I assure you…” (4)., even though she had indeed eaten some. The fact that Nora couldn’t own up to her wrong doings did not conjure any admiration or respect of her. However, Nora mentions later how she saved up and worked to pay for her husband’s health problems to be cured in Italy, without telling her husband that she had really paid for it. This selfless act should be admired because she worked and refrained from spending her money on temptation all for the sake of her husband. But, again, her immaturity makes me question whether Nora deserves respect because she forged her father’s signature and the date “he signed” was three days after he died. This is a silly mistake that Nora made, and again puts her in limbo between respectable and ignorant.
-----PICACHU-----
I think Nora is conceded, she talks about herself and her money a lot. When she is talking to Mrs. L, Nora tells her about how she is going to be really rich. She says "No, not only what one needs but heaps and heaps of money". I think it is rude of Nora to talk about how she is going to be rich, to someone that is going through a rough time in her life. Nora also calls herself attractive. ".. Perhaps I got it from some admirers. When anyone is as attractive as I am-". I don't think Nora is intentionally rude, she is just too caught up in her life to notice her actions. She tries to do good things, but she doesn't think them through. I think Nora is just a little clueless.
xoxo--english.qt
Nora is a confusing character. In the beginning, Nora seems like a charming, ordinary housewife, but further into the play, we find out that she has much more to tell about herself. Nora is always asking for money, money, money from her husband, so one can assume that she likes to spend it on things. That is why Torvald thinks that she is a "spendthrift". Really, we find out that it is because she is paying off a loan that was used to save his life. She only committed this fraud because her father and husband were deathly ill, so she forged her father's signature thinking nothing of it. Nora is too insecure about what people think about her, and in a way, is very selfish. She boasts to Mrs. Linde about how she procured 250 pounds to save Torvald's life, just as to make it seem like her life is so much tougher. She doesn't want anyone to outdo her at anything. She lies about everything, just to make herself look good, when in reality, she is having a double life. Torvald tells her that Krogstad is a morally diseased man, and that children with bad mothers will end up with bad lives. I think that she is too self-centered, insecure, and boastful, that it is becoming something similar to what he says about people being poisonous to their children's lives.
-cocacola-
Personally, I do not really like Nora at all because she is childish, immature, self-centered, and a "spendthrift". She seems to live the life of a spoiled girl who always gets what she wants. She calls herself attractive, thinks that she does hard things, but really it is stitching and needlework. Mrs. L had to support her family by anything she could, while Nora was deciding whether or not to buy macaroons. Her relationship with Torvald is weird too. She hides many things from him, and she lies to him more than once. This first act tells me that Nora is going to have to make a tough decision later on in the book to save herself, and everything she cares about.
--mysteryblogger--
When the author first introduces Nora, she comes off as immature and selfish because she talks about how much she bought with the money her husband gave her. When Torvald tells her to stop spending so much money on things that aren’t necessary, Nora just says that they should borrow until he makes all of this money from his new job. I also think that Nora comes across as conceded because she mentions how attractive she is: “When anyone is as attractive as I am.”, and when she talks to Mrs. L about how much money her husband will make: “No, not only what one needs but heaps and heaps of money.” Nora does try to help her husband by paying for is treatment in Italy but she pays for it with borrowed money and pretends that her father paid for it. She even signed the bond for her father after he died. Nora wants to help and be a good person but she is oblivious to what she is really doing and the consequences.
-puppygal
At the beginning of the play, I thought Nora didn't have a clue about the world and what was going on around her. All that mattered to her was what she wanted in that moment, and she didn't care about anything else going on other than what was happening in her own world. Later on, after she gets Mrs. L a job and reveals her secret that she paid for her husband to go to Italy, it is revealed that Nora is just immature, and doesn't realize the impact her decisions can make. She herself is much like a child in the way that she refuses to ask her husband for help and forge her father's signature. Overall, I just find Nora annoying and childish. She is given multiple opportunities to act like a mature adult. Her husband's sickness, Krogstad demanding money, and when her friend asks her for help. She responds to all of these situations without thinking anything through or admitting that she needs help. I believe Nora will eventually have to learn how to act like a mature adult and a mother to her children
--fruitlooop
I think Nora seems extremely content with her life. She is concerned with pampering her children and being fussed over by her husband. She feels the need to buy nice things so she is excited about the extra money from Torvald’s new job. After Torvald objected to her spending so much money before he received his salary, she said “we can borrow till then”, which shows she is unaccustomed to not having everything she wants. She seems to think that money will always keep coming into her hands. Nora is affectionate towards Torvald even though he patronizes her and treats her like a daughter more than a wife. She is also patronized by Mrs. Linde, who treats her like she knows nothing of what life is really like. When she objects to Mrs. Linde’s opinion and tells of her taking out a loan without Torvald’s consent, a different side of Nora is seen. She reveals that she is not a “child” as Mrs. Linde says. Her determination to pay of her debt shows the courage she possessed in order to break the law to protect Torvald’s health. She is more capable then Torvald knows but forging her father’s signature shows she is also naïve and deceitful.
-banana bread
I think Nora is kind of silly. She has good intentions, but she does not have enough knowledge to make the correct decisions. Nora borrowed money behind her husband's back from a colleague of her husband, Krogstad, to pay to go to Italy to obtain better medical care for her husband. Krogstad comes and threatens to ruin her reputation and reveal her secret if she does not influence her husband to let him keep his job at the bank. Nora does impractical things like forging her father's signature on the loan paper and borrowing money from, not someone no one knows, but someone rather close to her family. Nora's intention, saving her husband's life, was a gentle one, but it was not executed with enough knowledge and therefore will most likely end badly.
-NightPuppyQt3.14
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